Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Transportation happenings in Newton

Tuesday the Newton League of Women Voters had a transportation panel discussion.

It was quite interesting and had people who sit on the Transportation Advisory Committee as well as one person from Livable Streets whose presentation was of course my favorite. It was funny to see how new the idea livable streets was to the crowd who oohh'd and ahh'd and laughed over pictures that are my daily meme in the bike blog world as well as Facebook. It's good to get the word out about traffic calming and complete street initiatives elsewhere.

After the panelist spoke there was a Q & A period and the topics ranged all over from transit issues to safety issues and education issues. But two of the threads of conversation that were most interesting to me were of elderly and biking.

One gentleman stood up and said " We drove here because we didn't have any other way to get here." And basically sat down kind of leaving it for the panelist to discuss how to fix that kind of problem. Most of the Newton Transport people kind of stumbled over themselves not saying much and it was the livable streets woman who spoke up and said " Yes, I had the same problem. I live in cambridge and was wondering how to get here." I believe she got here via transport but would have a roommate who was coming this way swing by to pick her up. She then went on to say that if we had better biking infrastructure then it would help more people to ride in the dark in the rain. She also made the point that riding in the rain is quite possible with proper lights and gear etc.

A short while later a woman stood up and complained that the answers she was hearing about how to get around alternatively was to put people on bicycles. She went on to say that the elderly cannot ride bikes and that the baby boomers are only getting older, thus we will have only more elderly and bicycles were not the answer.

Now, no- I wouldn't put every person young or old on a bike. Not every one is going to want to be on a bike. Not everyone CAN be on a bike. However her points that to ride a bike one needed "good eye sight, good reflexes and to be limber" where in my opinion also traits needed to drive ( perhaps not the limber thing).

I wished I had felt like standing up and saying something. I probably would have said that the idea of "putting people on bikes" is a concept shift. We aren't excepting that everyone over 70 jump on a bike, however if we start planning for a highly bike friendly system, then anyone who can be on bikes will. If we put these ideas in place NOW, then there will be a whole generation of elderly who will have already been on bikes and so being on bikes as a 70 year old will be a natural idea rather than an absurd idea.

I also think that if we make this perception shift than vehicles such as electric scooters and electric tricycles could be seen as the norm. Wouldn't it be nice if every octogenarian happily upgraded to a scooter or e-trike to get around rather than white knuckle their steering wheels in fear of loosing indepedance. Or worse loosing one's license and thus having no alternatives to get around. Because less face it- the mass transit system in Boston is in a sad state. It's loosing money, not running well and not going to expand any time soon. But hey if we focus on things we can do like get more people who can be on bikes- who knows, we may shift our economic priorities to make a kick ass mass transit system and beyond work out.

Part of me understands that woman has a shorter range of vision for change. She doesn't have 30 years to wait to be an elderly person reaping the benefit of these zany ideas we are talking about now, however I also think- didn't that generation kinda get us into this mess?

10 comments:

  1. Thanks for the report- very interesting!
    I was just at another meeting with Jackie Douglas, the woman who was from livable streets, She'll be interested to hear your take on it.
    C

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  2. Hi,

    I have just started reading a bunch of biking blogs as I've gotten more into biking, and I stumbled upon yours. I live over in Somerville and bike to work in Brighton often (and lots of other places, too)!

    I just wanted to say that my grandmother is 87 and just now giving up her biking and her gear (granted she biked for fun and not to commute, usually). It's totally possible to have older people on bikes and I am sure she could still ride a tricycle or electric assist if she wanted to/lived where it was possible!

    Thanks for writing!

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  3. I suppose we have to be polite, but it's clear as anything that those people who say "the elderly can't ride 'bikes'" are just flat wrong (for all the reasons that you point out). What's not clear is how to win the credibility game -- if you're not doing the alternative-transit thing 100% yourself, then you're a hypocrite, and not credible, but if you do, then you're a DFH, and not credible, either.

    I don't think that it was "that generation" that specifically got us into this mess. There was a lot of money to be made selling cars and selling fuel for cars, and those companies spent a lot of money to shape public opinion, and it worked.

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  4. Dr2chase, I'm aware it's more complicated than That Gen. My point was more about not feeling very sympathetic to her vision.

    Also I think it has to be about balance. I hope that this blog shows that balance.

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  5. You didn't say how YOU got to the meeting. As for myself, I plan to ride well past 70. Actually, riding is part of the plan to be ABLE to ride well past 70. I won't get into the morass of which generation is at fault for the state we are in or why it isn't better. I hear "I/We can't do it" nearly every day from people that could and should. I'm sure you hear similar. Well, my view is that THEY are the losers.

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  6. What I find troublesome is the "putting people on bikes" accusation, usually coupled with the notion that the idea of walkable/bikeable communities is to "take away my car" or prevent people from driving. The appropriate reframe is that no, the idea is to offer citizens options since car usage or car ownership (particularly multiple car ownership) is not the best option, or the most economical.

    We own one car; probably the last one we'll ever own. I'm not listening to the naysayers. I fully intend to be able to ride a bike when I'm 70 just like those well-dressed, elderly ladies in Copenhagen Cycle Chic.

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  7. Ha.Steve, I walked. but the library is rather close to me. Also while this doesn't work for everything- I can finally say I made the active choice to buy this house b/c it was walking distance from the library. I'm glad I did. But obviously that isn't a choice for everyone....

    If the meeting had been farther away- I am not sure what I would have done. It was drizzling- and thus not enough to keep me off the bike. But if it had been raining hard out... I don't know....

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  8. @MamaVee - the problem is not just the balance, but can you get people to listen/think/believe? People like to think that they're rational, but really our brains are little excuse-generators, spewing out justifications for whatever we already happen to believe. So in your case (for example) sounds like "stay at home mom, flexible schedule, of course it works for her". In my case, it might be "well he's in good shape [wonder how that happened, hmmm?], of course he can ride a bike". Or "of course you can carry groceries on *that bike* [Big Dummy], but that's an expensive bicycle". Or "you can go to work in shorts and flip-flops [true], I cannot".

    And what I think is missing in the advocacy (and in the public's understanding of it) is that it is not 100% cheap and easy, there will be problems, but if you decide that you are going to ride you bike, there are solutions to problems, and you deal with it. My first commute to work (10 miles), kinda sucked, even though I knew that it would not once I was in shape (because I raced when I was a kid, and I know what "old" people can do on a bike). Simply believing that it is possible is probably the most important part, because otherwise your brain is busy spinning a can't-can't-can't story for you.

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  9. d2c- good points. I kinda have given up making people believe. I think ppl are or they aren't. My subtle advocacy tactic to to be visible and so people in town see me everywhere. Just today someone at school said " you really get around don't you?" I had just arrive to volunteer and asked if she saw me ( she was in the office and I didn't pass by the window to lock the bike up....) she said she sees me all the time on the streets and always wants to honk but doesn't want to startle me. Will she ride? Eh maybe not- but I think I am more relatable that say - no offense - some male commuter is. Also I spend a lot of time on FB talking about rides, errands etc and it makes people want to do it. That's why I am here, I read a blog post of a friend who simply wrote about biking to a restaurant to meet up with friends. The idea seemed to refreshing and fun that I was interested in trying something like that too. Each time I ride to meet friends for dinner I think about that post.

    I agree it isn't always easy. For me bar none it is SLOWER and more trouble to bike. But it is a lot more fun.

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  10. It is not about young or old people. It is about giving people a choice in how they get around, whether by car, bike or public transport, about reducing traffic congestion and supporting a clean, green and healthy living. There are many bike lines in Vancouver and not everyone here wants to use them but thousands of people do want to ride a bike. I think it is the same anywhere in the world.

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